@willywonka2020 said in #10:
> Most humans are stupid. Yet everyone here is a genius.
What about you? Are you stupid or a genius?
> Most humans are stupid. Yet everyone here is a genius.
What about you? Are you stupid or a genius?
@willywonka2020
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you would have to express it in a polite and respectful manner.
Please read lichess.org/page/communication-guidelines
Consider this to be an official warning.
You are entitled to your own opinion, but you would have to express it in a polite and respectful manner.
Please read lichess.org/page/communication-guidelines
Consider this to be an official warning.
Honestly I claim that this demagogic agitation of paranoiacs is not covered by freedom of opinion.
Democracy shall serve the good and the truth, and not be an excuse for malice.
Democracy shall serve the good and the truth, and not be an excuse for malice.
Penalties or Cheaters need to be steeper with WARNINGS of severe repercussions POSSIBLE in life to CHEATERS . Years ago' for instance if someone for instance CHEATED at Cards
Penalties for Cheaters need to be steeper with WARNINGS of severe repercussions POSSIBLE in life to CHEATERS . Years ago' for instance if someone for instance CHEATED at Cards
Wow how did I get two number 14's ?
A glitch in the matrix.
@Akarsh_2010 said in #4:
> I am pretty sure there are at least a *few* more cheaters, maybe a 5-10% increase, by the frequency of my rating refunds and "the account you reported got banned", but I am not sure, It could very well be how much I improved (1900-2100). @Overcooker
Bro spoke about paranoia and reports all of the players he plays against. bro cheaters would be high rated not 2000 rated
> I am pretty sure there are at least a *few* more cheaters, maybe a 5-10% increase, by the frequency of my rating refunds and "the account you reported got banned", but I am not sure, It could very well be how much I improved (1900-2100). @Overcooker
Bro spoke about paranoia and reports all of the players he plays against. bro cheaters would be high rated not 2000 rated
@ThunderClap said in #14:
> Penalties or Cheaters need to be steeper with WARNINGS of severe repercussions POSSIBLE in life to CHEATERS . Years ago' for instance if someone for instance CHEATED at Cards
Lichess should give out death sentences to cheaters. That will give them a lesson they won't forget!
> Penalties or Cheaters need to be steeper with WARNINGS of severe repercussions POSSIBLE in life to CHEATERS . Years ago' for instance if someone for instance CHEATED at Cards
Lichess should give out death sentences to cheaters. That will give them a lesson they won't forget!
@Akarsh_2010 said in #1:
> Paranoia of cheating has increased a lot, lot more...the Lichess community should have trust in the cheating detection algorithm,it is better tha most humans, and many other algorithms too. I believe it is able to detect most cheaters...Many thanks to the patrons, moderators, and devs for funding, maintaining and updating this free,mostly cheater-free, great site. <3
I thought that this was very well said.
I think I've had about 10 people, whom I reported, where they were banned before the end of the game. Many were banned within hours. Most were banned within a day. Some were banned within a week(s).
And, unfortunately, these are the kinds of stories that rarely make it to the forum headlines.
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As a matter of fact, as we speak, there are, I imagine, at least 1000s of Lichess members with a "You Lost Rating Points To Someone Who Violated the TOS" notification, within the past few weeks; and just about none of them have come to the forums to flood it with 1000s of cases of successful prosecution, where this ego-vested, paranoid, uninformed, derogatory, damaging, windbag, vacuum-chamber of 'Johnny-Come-Latelies' can be put in it's objective place.
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As for your point, @Akarsh_2010, it was obvious, as the Niemann drama unfolded, that it would increase the amount of suspicion and therefore the amount of cheaters...and that was under the best of circumstances where the most vocal/visible chess players would denounce Niemann's cheating, in the interest of the collective chess world, much less having so many being willing to try to mitigate the damage and it's effect, and/or to defend Niemann's misbehaviour....much less while simultaneously, grossly, exaggerating the frequency of the issue in an ignorant attempt to brainwash the masses into thinking that the problem includes anywhere near a majority of chess players.
I think that the majority of the chess world who were around ca. < 2020 were horrified to watch all of these newcomers overlook the damage that Niemann and cheaters do to the sport; and then that was further exacerbated by the fact that most of the hardcore chess players are (rightfully) too busy enjoying the site instead of being vocal in the forums and counteracting the "cheating is rampant" posts.
Besides the actual cheating, the optics and the imprint that this has left on the psyche of the chess world is unnecessary and self-imploding. It sucks to see so many people buying into this whole mess, unaware of the mechanics at play, and accidentally contributing to it's negative effects.
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It blows my mind that any chess player would have a derogatory thing to say about Kramnik.
The idea that chess royalty is leaving a chess platform, because people who promote the destruction of chess are allowed to continue to use the site, is tragic.
For those who have anything but respect for Kramnik, all that can be said is, "They must not like chess very much."
Because, if it ever became the case that most chess players were convinced that 'most chess players cheat', it would do an incalculable amount of damage to the sport.
For so many "chess players" to fail to make this connection, blows my mind.
However, it comes with an upside, too, because it's not likely that they'll still be here, tomorrow.
There are only a few different paradigms that allow people to enjoy chess in the long term, and theirs, probably, isn't one of them.
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The facts are that the vast majority of people do not cheat.
Depending on the rating/time control, back before the chess boom, well-competent models, established by independent researchers, with the stripes to make accurate estimations, had the number of cheaters on Lichess at somewhere around 1% - 3% with 4% being impossible; and something like 3% - 8% on chesscom.
Since then, we're up 400% of the traffic and counting.
And, unfortunately, many of the newcomers are not vested in chess the way that those who played before 2020 are.
So, as soon as many of the the non-vested newcomers learned about cheating, they not only tried it out themselves, (many of them not realizing the damage they were doing), but they, then, also ended up projecting social support for Niemann, which exponentially increased the scope of the damage to it's maximum potential.
On top of that, the negativity bias will have negative posts be high-visibility in the forums, while those having a positive experience (99.99%) are busy playing and enjoying without incentive/awareness to counteract this influential, and damaging, vacuum chamber of paranoia and baseless opinion.
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The upside is that while the uptick is 400% and rising, there are many who played for a few weeks/months, realized how difficult chess can be, and they haven't played since 2021 and 2022. So, a lot of the cheaters and newcomers have been, and are being, cycled out. And the actual chess players are sticking around.
Another upside is the nature of online cheating and the psychology of cheaters.
And, luckily, due to the nature of chess, over time, it will tend to cleanse itself of most cheaters.
The amount of effort/time to stay undetected is at a maximum.
The amount of gratification for doing so is at a complete minimum.
There must be dozens/hundreds of different kinds of algorithms for cheaters to try to avoid, and most of them can be automatically red-flagged for investigation when compared to the 95% to 99% aggregate who play legitimate chess.
Further, since chesscom used the Niemann disgrace to out itself as being arguably "the most competent anti-cheat in online chess", most of those who gave up on learning chess but still want to outsmart anti-cheat teams, have flocked over there.
The fact that they allowed a multiple time cheater back on their platform, further, will earmark that site as "the place where cheaters go to cheat".
Also, as a point of information, Lichess dedicated years to making sure that their platform was cheat-free. And in that span of time, chesscom refused to take it seriously.
Therefore, there are years worth of cheaters who gave up having to start new accounts, here, and who moved to chesscom where they could cheat in peace and more effectively devolve that website. And then, as word got out, those interested in fair play moved their way over here. This is probably the fundamental reason behind why cheating is still so much more prevalent over there than it is over here.
So either way, and in all variations, Lichess is still the best place to play.
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Anyway.
Long story short?
Probably, the best thing that the chess community can do for itself, regarding cheating, is to watch this video and to take it to heart:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Wiok4H1RY
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Good luck, and may your pieces find the very best squares!
> Paranoia of cheating has increased a lot, lot more...the Lichess community should have trust in the cheating detection algorithm,it is better tha most humans, and many other algorithms too. I believe it is able to detect most cheaters...Many thanks to the patrons, moderators, and devs for funding, maintaining and updating this free,mostly cheater-free, great site. <3
I thought that this was very well said.
I think I've had about 10 people, whom I reported, where they were banned before the end of the game. Many were banned within hours. Most were banned within a day. Some were banned within a week(s).
And, unfortunately, these are the kinds of stories that rarely make it to the forum headlines.
-
As a matter of fact, as we speak, there are, I imagine, at least 1000s of Lichess members with a "You Lost Rating Points To Someone Who Violated the TOS" notification, within the past few weeks; and just about none of them have come to the forums to flood it with 1000s of cases of successful prosecution, where this ego-vested, paranoid, uninformed, derogatory, damaging, windbag, vacuum-chamber of 'Johnny-Come-Latelies' can be put in it's objective place.
-
As for your point, @Akarsh_2010, it was obvious, as the Niemann drama unfolded, that it would increase the amount of suspicion and therefore the amount of cheaters...and that was under the best of circumstances where the most vocal/visible chess players would denounce Niemann's cheating, in the interest of the collective chess world, much less having so many being willing to try to mitigate the damage and it's effect, and/or to defend Niemann's misbehaviour....much less while simultaneously, grossly, exaggerating the frequency of the issue in an ignorant attempt to brainwash the masses into thinking that the problem includes anywhere near a majority of chess players.
I think that the majority of the chess world who were around ca. < 2020 were horrified to watch all of these newcomers overlook the damage that Niemann and cheaters do to the sport; and then that was further exacerbated by the fact that most of the hardcore chess players are (rightfully) too busy enjoying the site instead of being vocal in the forums and counteracting the "cheating is rampant" posts.
Besides the actual cheating, the optics and the imprint that this has left on the psyche of the chess world is unnecessary and self-imploding. It sucks to see so many people buying into this whole mess, unaware of the mechanics at play, and accidentally contributing to it's negative effects.
-
It blows my mind that any chess player would have a derogatory thing to say about Kramnik.
The idea that chess royalty is leaving a chess platform, because people who promote the destruction of chess are allowed to continue to use the site, is tragic.
For those who have anything but respect for Kramnik, all that can be said is, "They must not like chess very much."
Because, if it ever became the case that most chess players were convinced that 'most chess players cheat', it would do an incalculable amount of damage to the sport.
For so many "chess players" to fail to make this connection, blows my mind.
However, it comes with an upside, too, because it's not likely that they'll still be here, tomorrow.
There are only a few different paradigms that allow people to enjoy chess in the long term, and theirs, probably, isn't one of them.
-
The facts are that the vast majority of people do not cheat.
Depending on the rating/time control, back before the chess boom, well-competent models, established by independent researchers, with the stripes to make accurate estimations, had the number of cheaters on Lichess at somewhere around 1% - 3% with 4% being impossible; and something like 3% - 8% on chesscom.
Since then, we're up 400% of the traffic and counting.
And, unfortunately, many of the newcomers are not vested in chess the way that those who played before 2020 are.
So, as soon as many of the the non-vested newcomers learned about cheating, they not only tried it out themselves, (many of them not realizing the damage they were doing), but they, then, also ended up projecting social support for Niemann, which exponentially increased the scope of the damage to it's maximum potential.
On top of that, the negativity bias will have negative posts be high-visibility in the forums, while those having a positive experience (99.99%) are busy playing and enjoying without incentive/awareness to counteract this influential, and damaging, vacuum chamber of paranoia and baseless opinion.
-
The upside is that while the uptick is 400% and rising, there are many who played for a few weeks/months, realized how difficult chess can be, and they haven't played since 2021 and 2022. So, a lot of the cheaters and newcomers have been, and are being, cycled out. And the actual chess players are sticking around.
Another upside is the nature of online cheating and the psychology of cheaters.
And, luckily, due to the nature of chess, over time, it will tend to cleanse itself of most cheaters.
The amount of effort/time to stay undetected is at a maximum.
The amount of gratification for doing so is at a complete minimum.
There must be dozens/hundreds of different kinds of algorithms for cheaters to try to avoid, and most of them can be automatically red-flagged for investigation when compared to the 95% to 99% aggregate who play legitimate chess.
Further, since chesscom used the Niemann disgrace to out itself as being arguably "the most competent anti-cheat in online chess", most of those who gave up on learning chess but still want to outsmart anti-cheat teams, have flocked over there.
The fact that they allowed a multiple time cheater back on their platform, further, will earmark that site as "the place where cheaters go to cheat".
Also, as a point of information, Lichess dedicated years to making sure that their platform was cheat-free. And in that span of time, chesscom refused to take it seriously.
Therefore, there are years worth of cheaters who gave up having to start new accounts, here, and who moved to chesscom where they could cheat in peace and more effectively devolve that website. And then, as word got out, those interested in fair play moved their way over here. This is probably the fundamental reason behind why cheating is still so much more prevalent over there than it is over here.
So either way, and in all variations, Lichess is still the best place to play.
-
Anyway.
Long story short?
Probably, the best thing that the chess community can do for itself, regarding cheating, is to watch this video and to take it to heart:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Wiok4H1RY
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Good luck, and may your pieces find the very best squares!
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